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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

I can think of one instance where four consecutive words in the same order appear in two different original Grateful Dead songs. What are the lyrics? Can you name the two songs?

And Wave That Flag / U.S. Blues DO NOT QUALIFY, as they are essentially the same song.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 5, 2012 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

I don't know if this counts because one was a Mickey Hart tune written by Hunter, but 'down by the river' shows up in "I Heard You Singing" and of course, Sugar Mag.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Interesting, but I did say Grateful Dead songs, and the one I'm thinking of is far more obvious. I have no idea if this is the only case. I'm actually hoping that someone comes up with a totally different example.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Okay, I can't claim any credit for this, because I used Alex Allan's Grateful Dead Lyric and Song Finder to crunch some of the more generic phrases I could find in songs that I thought might have generic phrases, and I came up with one four-word phrase that shows up in no fewer than five original GD songs.

So my question is: what's the phrase, what five songs does it appear in, and what city was each song first performed live in? Well, maybe that's going too far.

I wonder if my phrase is the same as yours, s_a_r. My guess is not, and that there are at least a couple more four-word phrases that show up in two or more songs.

EDIT: Here's a tantalizing hint. Three of the five songs were debuted in the same concert. Hmmm...

EDIT: Hint #2 is that the five songs were written by four different lyricists.

EDIT: Hint #3 is that in two of the songs the next word is "the", producing a five-word phrase shared by two GD originals.

EDIT: I found another four-word phrase that shows up in two different GD originals. It's generic enough that I doubt it's the one snow_and_rain is thinking of, but I won't say what it is until he shows his hand, because again I got it crunching generic phrases from Allan's website.


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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Fascinating! All I can say is that nobody has guessed the one I had in mind yet. I think this one is only in two songs.

HINT: In one case, they are the first four words of the song.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

"Gone are the days" in Crazy Fingers and at the beginning of Brown Eyed Women. I came by that one honestly by asking myself what lyrics snow_and_rain had been publicly discussing on this site in the past day.

The second one I found was "I take my time" in Friend of the Devil and Easy Wind.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Great find on "I take my time."

Another one I found is "If I had a", which is found in Loser and If I Had the World to Give.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Thanks. But it's a little verbal OCD, isn't it? At least you came across your first one by happening to notice it in the noble act of contemplating Hunter's lyrics.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 6:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Au contraire... "If I had a" is just as meaningful and deep as any of Hunter's other lyrics. The longing for things out of reach, for powers beyond our means, is a timeless and universal dilemma of human existence.

IF I HAD A HAMMER (The Hammer Song)
words and music by Lee Hays and Pete Seeger

If I had a hammer
I'd hammer in the morning
I'd hammer in the evening
All over this land
I'd hammer out danger
I'd hammer out a warning
I'd hammer out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

If I had a bell
I'd ring it in the morning
I'd ring it in the evening
All over this land
I'd ring out danger
I'd ring out a warning
I'd ring out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

If I had a song
I'd sing it in the morning
I'd sing it in the evening
All over this land
I'd sing out danger
I'd sing out a warning
I'd sing out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

Well I've got a hammer
And I've got a bell
And I've got a song to sing
All over this land
It's the hammer of justice
It's the bell of freedom
It's the song about love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

I meant in contrast to my efforts to game the system by finding generic phrases and then Googling them.

I agree that "If I had a" is archetypal, and gains from the very fact of being so open-ended. Completing it is like the realization of a dream. If I had a squid...

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

"gone are the days"

Brown-Eyed Women & Crazy Fingers

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

That hint confirms that neither of mine is the same as yours.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Well, I think you helped me get snow_and_rain's - they were even written on the same night!

Loser, Deal - "that deal go down"

But your question makes my head hurt ...

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

In loser, it's "my deal go down". Those pesky pronouns!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

well that's a little embarrassing, of course it is

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

No, but I just discovered the Loser works with another song entirely. Can anyone guess it?

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Gone are the days....

when the ox fall down...

we stopped to decide....

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Great minds think alike!

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

And at the wire we have a winner!

nice work lou!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Amazing that we all three would have flashed on it practically at the same moment.

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Both traditional, 5 words, and not correct BUT...

"combing back your yellow hair."

Appears in Peggy-O and Cold Rain and Snow.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 5, 2012 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Drat!!!!!!! I thought of this right away and was reading down hoping no one else had thought of it. I knew it wasn't what he had in mind, though, 'cus it isn't the first line of either song.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

In "Cold Rain and Snow", she's combing back "her" yellow hair. Also, "Cold Rain and Snow" can't be the answer to any question snow_and_rain asks. I learned that one the hard way. ;)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 5, 2012 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Eureka!!!

high flow was right....he just didn't know it.

"....down the stairs, combing back...."

5 words common to both Cold Rain and Snow and Peggy O

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Peggy-o is traditional. Not an original.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 5, 2012 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Pshaw....

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 5, 2012 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

DOH!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 5, 2012 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Women's hair figures in a number of songs. Annie with her long brown hair, Cherise was brushing her long hair gently down, Peggy-O and the unidentified evil wife ... and of course the touch of grey.
And "it's just a box of rain, or a ribbon for your hair ..."
Delilah with the coal black hair ...
Am I missing any?

Oh, the woman in Dreadful Wind and Rain also has long yellow hair!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

You know that feeling when something is just out of reach in your brain????

Again, this may not count because of some silly grammar rules, but:

Uncle John's Band - "by the river side"

Sugar Magnolia (again) - "rollin' in the rushes down 'by the riverside'"

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Wow, that's a great guess... Again, not the one I was thinking of, and I'm pretty sure that riverside is one word, so I'd have to say no.

You're going to kick yourself when you finally get it.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 5, 2012 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's GD Lyrics Trivia Question - Softball

Do I get partial credit for riverside and river side being phonetically identical?

If not, I surrender..